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From: Lucas Stach <l.stach@pengutronix.de>
To: Ahmad Fatoum <a.fatoum@pengutronix.de>,
	Fabian Pflug <f.pflug@pengutronix.de>,
	barebox@lists.infradead.org
Cc: rouven.czerwinski@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] ARM: optee-early: invalidate caches before jump to OP-TEE
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2025 16:47:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47261d55d72a6f34618ca9d4b86214f306a91f5a.camel@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6ce5c98c-4f8e-46f6-8dd3-7c911578feb8@pengutronix.de>

Am Dienstag, dem 03.06.2025 um 12:18 +0200 schrieb Ahmad Fatoum:
> Hello Lucas,
> 
> On 6/3/25 11:57, Lucas Stach wrote:
> > Hi Fabian,
> > 
> > Am Dienstag, dem 03.06.2025 um 11:20 +0200 schrieb Fabian Pflug:
> > > The optee-early code was initially added for i.MX6UL. Trying to naively
> > > enable it on an i.MX6Q boards was observed to cause spurious hangs on
> > > return from OP-TEE to barebox.
> > > 
> > > The root cause seems to be inadequate cache handling by OP-TEE: OP-TEE
> > > enables the MMU and caches with it, but didn't take care to invalidate
> > > all cache lines before enabling the MMU, which triggered the
> > > aforementioned hangs.
> > > 
> > > To paper over this issue, let's just invalidate the cache lines on the
> > > barebox side instead before jumping to OP-TEE. This issue did likely not
> > > affect the original i.MX6UL, because its Cortex-A7 has an architected L2
> > > cache that's guaranteed zeroed (no dirty cache lines) on power-on reset,
> > > unlike the i.MX6Q's Cortex-A9, where the external L2 cache powers on
> > > with unpredictable content including the dirty bits.
> > > 
> > The explanation here doesn't make too much sense to me. I don't think
> > the outer L2 cache is even enabled at this point, but even if it were
> > arm_early_mmu_cache_invalidate() only handles architected caches, so it
> > wouldn't affect the PL310 on the i.MX6Q/DL.
> 
> You're right. I recalled issues that bit us in the past on the
> Cortex-A9, but not on the A7 and took a wrong turn trying to rationalize
> this change with a spotty recollection.
> 
> > The real issue with the Cortex A9 caches is that the tags aren't
> > cleared on power-up, so some sets/ways may end up in "valid" state if
> > not explicitly invalidated.
> 
> I see, thanks for the clarification. So the issue is with our handling
> of the L1 cache instead.
> 
> > Thus any write to memory may get stuck in
> > the cache, even if caching is disabled, as this knob only turns off 
> > allocation in the cache, but doesn't prevent updates of such bogus
> > valid lines.
> 
> Ok, so if CR_C is unset, the cache is still used when reading/writing,
> provided that the cache line is valid.
> 
Exactly. Clearing CR_C disables cache allocation, but lookups in the
cache still proceed as normal.

> > If you then proceed to invalidate the cache, you may
> > discard data that has not yet reached DRAM. So IMO this fix here seems
> > risky, as it assumes that there have been no writes to memory that are
> > worth keeping before calling start_optee_early(). While this might be
> > the case in the current implementation, this assumption is quite non-
> > obvious to someone just looking at the individual functions.
> 
> Agreed. If the issue is with the valid and not the dirty bit,
> invalidation at this location is incorrect.
> 
> > The stuck writes are also why OP-TEE is unable to handle this itself:
> > any cache invalidation there would risk discarding writes from software
> > running before OP-TEE. So the only way to handle this properly is to
> > invalidate the caches before issuing any writes.
> 
> This makes me wonder though about the regular case without any OP-TEE as
> we are already doing arm_early_mmu_cache_invalidate() inside
> __barebox_arm_entry:
> 
>  - low level init code writes something to handoff object or to scratch
>    area
> 
>  - The freshly written data ends up in (L1) cache as tag was valid
> 
>  - arm_early_mmu_cache_invalidate() discards these writes
> 
>  - The uncompressor or barebox proper ends up with corrupted data.
> 
> We don't have many objects that are accessed both before and after
> arm_early_mmu_cache_invalidate, so maybe that's why we didn't run into
> more problems?
> 
Yea, I would guess that the probability of hitting this issue with the
handoff data, which isn't that big, is quite low. At least from the
description above I think we can hit the same issues with the handoff
data.

> > I guess it would be much better to simply have the
> > arm_early_mmu_cache_invalidate() as part of the Cortex A9 lowlevel CPU
> > initialization at the very start of the PBL entry.
> 
> We don't have a dedicated Cortex-A9 lowlevel entry function
> unfortunately, just some for specific processors, e.g. the
> imx6_cpu_lowlevel_init.
> 
> We could add CONFIG_CPU_CORTEX_A9, select it from the relevant SoC
> options and depending on it, add the invalidation to
> arm_cpu_lowlevel_init()? What do you think?
> 
This would then trigger the invalidation even on systems that don't
need it in case of a multiarch Barebox. There aren't that many Cortex
A9 based SoCs supported in Barebox and all of them should have a SoC
specific init function to apply the necessary workarounds, so I think
it would be fine to call the cache invalidate from the SoC specific
lowlevel init of those few SoCs?

Regards,
Lucas

> Thanks,
> Ahmad
> 
> 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Lucas
> > 
> > > This means on e.g. the i.MX6UL, we will now do one extra cache invalidation
> > > that's not needed. This should be negligible and we are already had an
> > > unconditional invalidation in __barebox_arm_entry.
> > > 
> > > Note that this is a different implementation than what we do on ARM64,
> > > there we load TF-A before it jumps to OP-TEE and assuming
> > > non-architected caches or caches with uninitialized content on power-on
> > > to be a dying breed, our ARM64 implementation is likely not affected.
> > > 
> > > Co-authored-by: Ahmad Fatoum <a.fatoum@pengutronix.de>
> > > Signed-off-by: Ahmad Fatoum <a.fatoum@pengutronix.de>
> > > Signed-off-by: Fabian Pflug <f.pflug@pengutronix.de>
> > > ---
> > >  arch/arm/lib32/optee-early.c | 13 +++++++++++++
> > >  1 file changed, 13 insertions(+)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/arch/arm/lib32/optee-early.c b/arch/arm/lib32/optee-early.c
> > > index 0cda0ab163..b1dba67d42 100644
> > > --- a/arch/arm/lib32/optee-early.c
> > > +++ b/arch/arm/lib32/optee-early.c
> > > @@ -35,6 +35,19 @@ int start_optee_early(void *fdt, void *tee)
> > >  	/* We use setjmp/longjmp here because OP-TEE clobbers most registers */
> > >  	ret = setjmp(tee_buf);
> > >  	if (ret == 0) {
> > > +		/*
> > > +		 * At least OP-TEE v4.1.0 seems to not invalidate all dirty cache
> > > +		 * lines before enabling the MMU. This can lead to spurious hangs
> > > +		 * on return to barebox on systems where there might be left-over
> > > +		 * dirty cache lines, whether from BootROM or because L2 cache
> > > +		 * is non-architected and powers on with unpredictable content
> > > +		 * like is the case with PL310 on i.MX6Q.
> > > +		 *
> > > +		 * Let's invalidate the caches here, so board entry points need
> > > +		 * not bother.
> > > +		 */
> > > +		arm_early_mmu_cache_invalidate();
> > > +
> > >  		tee_start(0, 0, fdt);
> > >  		longjmp(tee_buf, 1);
> > >  	}
> > 
> > 
> 




  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-03 14:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-03  9:20 [PATCH 1/2] ARM: optee-early: drop superfluous sync_caches_for_execution Fabian Pflug
2025-06-03  9:20 ` [PATCH 2/2] ARM: optee-early: invalidate caches before jump to OP-TEE Fabian Pflug
2025-06-03  9:57   ` Lucas Stach
2025-06-03 10:18     ` Ahmad Fatoum
2025-06-03 14:47       ` Lucas Stach [this message]
2025-06-03 14:51         ` Ahmad Fatoum
2025-06-03 15:20           ` Lucas Stach
2025-06-04  9:57             ` Rouven Czerwinski
2025-06-04 10:00 ` [PATCH 1/2] ARM: optee-early: drop superfluous sync_caches_for_execution Rouven Czerwinski

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