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From: Ahmad Fatoum <a.fatoum@pengutronix.de>
To: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>
Cc: BAREBOX <barebox@lists.infradead.org>,
	"Claude Sonnet 4.5" <noreply@anthropic.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/19] ARM: linker script: create separate PT_LOAD segments for text, rodata, and data
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 08:59:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4f8f6e8e-7c1d-419f-b315-7b23c05dfa94@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aVxC3ZOkqe3lB6OI@pengutronix.de>

Hello Sascha,

On 1/6/26 00:01, Sascha Hauer wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 05, 2026 at 02:11:28PM +0100, Ahmad Fatoum wrote:
>>
>>> With explicit PHDRS directives, we now generate three segments:
>>> 1. text segment (PF_R|PF_X): .text and related code sections
>>> 2. rodata segment (PF_R): .rodata and unwind tables
>>> 3. data segment (PF_R|PF_W): .data, .bss, and related sections
>>
>> Not directly related, but this is as good a place as any to ask the
>> question: How is zero-padding implemented? If the file size is shorter
>> than the memory size, the loader is supposed to zero-fill, which is used
>> for BSS zeroing for example. Now if you load the ELF in place, we can't
>> obviously zero-fill.
> 
> Yes we can, see my other mail. The bss section is placed in the ELF binary,
> unless it is at the very end of the binary in which case it becomes
> smaller by the size of the bss section.

Ok. Can we have a check to verify that no overlap happened? Can also be at
compile-time.

>>> +PHDRS
>>> +{
>>> +	text PT_LOAD FLAGS(5);     /* PF_R | PF_X */
>>> +	rodata PT_LOAD FLAGS(4);   /* PF_R */
>>> +	data PT_LOAD FLAGS(6);     /* PF_R | PF_W */
>>> +	dynamic PT_DYNAMIC FLAGS(6); /* PF_R | PF_W */
>>
>> I believe we don't need PF_W for PT_DYNAMIC. You could move it one up to
>> merge with rodata.
> 
> See readelf output:
> 
> Program Headers:
>   Type           Offset   VirtAddr   PhysAddr   FileSiz MemSiz  Flg Align
>   LOAD           0x001000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x96190 0x96190 R E 0x1000
>   LOAD           0x098000 0x00097000 0x00097000 0x4d2f4 0x4d2f4 R   0x1000
>   LOAD           0x0e6000 0x000e5000 0x000e5000 0x216d4 0x283b0 RW  0x1000
>   DYNAMIC        0x0f1d74 0x000f0d74 0x000f0d74 0x15960 0x15960 RW  0x4
> 
> The DYNAMIC segment is inside the LOAD segment directly above. I don't
> know how this segment is really used, but making it readonly means that
> it at least would have to be page aligned which it isn't.

If you add :rodata instead of :data it should merge with .rodata and not require
alignment itself.

>>>  	_edata = .;
>>> -	.image_end : { *(.__image_end) }
>>> +	.image_end : { *(.__image_end) } :data
>>>  
>>>  	. = ALIGN(4);
>>> -	.__bss_start :  { *(.__bss_start) }
>>> -	.bss : { *(.bss*) }
>>> -	.__bss_stop :  { *(.__bss_stop) }
>>> +	.__bss_start :  { *(.__bss_start) } :data
>>> +	.bss : { *(.bss*) } :data
>>> +	.__bss_stop :  { *(.__bss_stop) } :data
>>
>> Side-effect of having the decompressor take care of zeroing BSS is a big
>> size increase for CONFIG_IMAGE_COMPRESSION_NONE. I think that's
>> acceptable, but it's worth a comment here why we don't have a separate
>> BSS segment (or make bss NOALLOC).
> 
> The bss section is not part of the binary when it's at its very end,
> which it is, so I don't see any size increase.

Very good.

Cheers,
Ahmad

> 
>> FYI, I have patches to get rid of MAX_BSS_SIZE on top of PBL ELF loader
>> support, which I will submit once this support is merged.
> 
> Great \o/
> 
> Sascha
> 


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  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-06  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-05 11:26 [PATCH 00/19] PBL: Add PBL ELF loading support with dynamic relocations Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 01/19] elf: Use memcmp to make suitable for PBL Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 11:46   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 02/19] elf: build for PBL as well Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 03/19] elf: add dynamic relocation support Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 14:05   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 04/19] ARM: implement elf_apply_relocations() for ELF " Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 11:58   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 19:53     ` Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 05/19] riscv: " Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 06/19] elf: implement elf_load_inplace() Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 13:37   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 22:42     ` Sascha Hauer
2026-01-06  8:18       ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 07/19] elf: create elf_open_binary_into() Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 08/19] Makefile: add barebox.elf build target Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 12:22   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 15:43     ` Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 17:11       ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 09/19] PBL: allow to link ELF image into PBL Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 12:11   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 10/19] mmu: add MAP_CACHED_RO mapping type Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 12:14   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 11/19] mmu: introduce pbl_remap_range() Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 12:15   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-06  8:50     ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-06  9:25       ` Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 12/19] ARM: use relative jumps in exception table Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 11:44   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 12:29     ` Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 12:31       ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 13/19] ARM: exceptions: make in-binary exception table const Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 14/19] ARM: linker script: create separate PT_LOAD segments for text, rodata, and data Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 13:11   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 23:01     ` Sascha Hauer
2026-01-06  7:59       ` Ahmad Fatoum [this message]
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 15/19] ARM: link ELF image into PBL Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 12:27   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 16/19] ARM: PBL: setup MMU with proper permissions from ELF segments Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 12:58   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 17/19] riscv: link ELF image into PBL Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 13:12   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 11:26 ` [PATCH 18/19] riscv: linker script: create separate PT_LOAD segments for text, rodata, and data Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 13:40   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 11:27 ` [PATCH 19/19] riscv: add ELF segment-based memory protection with MMU Sascha Hauer
2026-01-05 13:58   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 14:08 ` [PATCH 00/19] PBL: Add PBL ELF loading support with dynamic relocations Ahmad Fatoum
2026-01-05 16:47   ` Sascha Hauer
2026-01-06  8:35     ` Ahmad Fatoum

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